This was a joke, right? The name “Django” isn’t exactly exclusive to the framework.
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This was a joke, right? The name “Django” isn’t exactly exclusive to the framework.
So, where do we get the “mindshare” figures used to compile the graphic?
1) Simon: And Zope is a fish. Your argument is still valid of course.
2) Steve: “mindshare” is what I mean by “mindshare”. No more, no less. <wink> … checkout Google Trends, it’s fascinating.
It’s rather depressing actually, I’d love for more people to use Zope. It’s a fine framework.
Try this instead :
I commented on this on my blog. I was confused by the “author’s first name?” question, thinking it meant the comment authors. D’oh. Silly me…
I think the most telling thing about this graph is that most of the search traffic for Django came before the web framework’s release. The spike arond point E would be the point at which the web framework was released.
I’m pretty sure that the majority of the traffic for “zope” is looking for the web framework and not the fish (I don’t know how many pages of goog results you’d need to go through before you hit a page about the fish). That is not true of “django”.
Chui,
It may be depressing, but that’s the way things appear to be going. To explain, I run a code shop with about a dozen developers, and *all* our sites are in Zope. We started using Zope in 1998, with version 1.0.3. We’re now up to 2.7.3, and I don’t think (barring securiy updates) that we’ll go much further with it.
Django is very interesting – I have it on my laptop and it works just fine (the early Zope 3′s didn’t even compile on OS-X and I understood from comments made at the time that the team were really focussing on linux). Once I did get Zope 3 installed, I was stunned to see what had happened. Everything had changed, and I knew that we had a problem on our hands – this was going to be a major headache for my team (I know about Five, but things are just too different)
So, if we were going to have to change the way we did our coding, I thought we might as well look at other frameworks and django is the front runner at the moment. We get real version control, don’t have to write SQL by hand anymore (unless we want to) and we get more maintainable systems.
Zope has been very good to us, but the Zope 3 release is probably not going to be our delivery platform of choice.
It also appears Ruby on Rail has surpassed Cat Food in mind share.
http://google.com/trends?q=ruby+on+rails%2C+cat+food&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
Oddly enough, python programming is more popular than python language, at least when used as a search term on Google Trends: http://www.google.com/trends?q=+python+language%2C+python+programming%2C+python+scripting&ctab=1&geo=all&date=all
Python script appeared out of the blue in Q4 2005.
The search term allows pipe symbol to be used to separate similar terms so we can do ask for a trend for ruby vs python vs ruby on rails and put language|programming|scripting to rstrict the search to hackerly pursuits (instead of gem prospecting or snake charming) and we get:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=ruby+on+rails%2C+ruby+language%7Cscript%7Cscripts%7Cprogramming%2C+python+language%7Cscripts%7Cscript%7Cprogramming&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
RoR seems to be big in San Francisco.. Has anyone thought of doing a mashup between Trends and Maps to show hotspots?
Martin,
Mashups of Trends and Maps is a very cool idea.
Ruby on Rails is stealing a lot of people from Java, and enjoys great momentum. People like Martin Fowler are actively promoting it’s use. If only ESR was a Java guy in the first place!
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